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[0:00] you need to face your demons you need to
[0:01] face your pains it's almost like Alchemy
[0:05] in order to transform a metal in Gold
[0:07] you have to put it under pressure like
[0:10] you do with diamonds and rocks and
[0:13] humans are the same we need to go
[0:15] through fire to get to the best version
[0:17] of ourselves I used to flatten myself to
[0:21] match this environment and I decided you
[0:24] know what down with it so I started
[0:27] showing up with colorful outfits I
[0:30] started showing up with my Italian
[0:34] accent I started showing up with my bold
[0:37] statements hey everybody I'm Devin kums
[0:40] I'm a CPA MBA and I work at Google Cloud
[0:43] Where I Leave multi-billion Dollar Deal
[0:45] negotiations as a financial expert but
[0:48] for fun I also do this podcast ambition
[0:50] aligned where I try to find
[0:51] purpose-driven professionals making real
[0:54] impact with what they're doing in their
[0:55] lives and today I had the pleasure of
[0:57] talking to Nadia now she's really
[1:00] awesome I'm really excited to have her
[1:01] on she's the head of data analytics for
[1:03] Google but she's also launching a new
[1:05] book called find your Zeal and does
[1:08] coaching and does tons of speaking
[1:10] engagements and podcasts where she
[1:12] encourages others to reflect on
[1:14] themselves find their passion and
[1:16] transform their careers please watch
[1:18] please subscribe and I think we're going
[1:20] to get a ton out of today's episode if
[1:22] you're interested in transforming your
[1:24] career through reflection and defining
[1:27] your vision what would you say would was
[1:30] your biggest motivation for all of the
[1:33] Transformations you've had over your
[1:34] career thank you for the question very
[1:37] deep one I would
[1:39] say when I think about what motivates
[1:44] humans there are so many reasons they
[1:46] can be laid out there right somebody
[1:49] might just want success other people
[1:51] might want more money when I think about
[1:55] me I was always I was always driven by
[1:59] an unwar in
[2:00] ambition something that was
[2:05] uncontrollable and those in the
[2:07] spiritual industry like I am that really
[2:10] poke around what's more than just life
[2:14] my say that is about life purpose like I
[2:17] fundamentally believe that all the
[2:20] things that happened to me happened for
[2:22] a reason and it's almost like there was
[2:25] this invisible hand driving me and
[2:28] showing me the way I mean listen I grew
[2:30] up in an island 12 you know 12,000
[2:34] people nobody in my family had brilliant
[2:38] careers I was surrounded by farmers and
[2:41] it's not that I had these examples that
[2:44] we could say oh my God you know I want
[2:46] to be like them I mean my mom was
[2:48] probably a little bit one of the
[2:50] precursors because she was already in
[2:52] sales but I was always pulled by
[2:57] something inside
[3:00] that was literally whispering to my ears
[3:03] there's something more and you you must
[3:06] use your powers to get there and see
[3:10] what happens if that makes
[3:12] sense yeah so how did you hear that
[3:15] voice or I guess like I'm trying to
[3:17] think of someone in the audience or what
[3:21] is a way that they can tune into that or
[3:23] how did you tune into that voice because
[3:25] that's so interesting right that that
[3:26] there's something driving you beyond
[3:30] what was in front of you or modeled for
[3:32] you in your life there was something
[3:33] whispering in your ear how do you how
[3:35] did you tune into that yeah well you
[3:39] know initially when I was younger let's
[3:42] say around my My Teenage
[3:46] life uh that voice I I like to call it
[3:49] was a voice of hope I know you can
[3:53] relate to this but when at the time I
[3:55] didn't have what I have
[3:57] today the voice of Hope was showing me
[4:01] that there was something more that I
[4:02] could aspire to and actually I said
[4:06] something in our conversation with a
[4:08] friend I do remember very vividly being
[4:11] 16 years old and being able to access
[4:13] the internet and stumbling across Steve
[4:17] Jobs Stanford commencement speech when
[4:20] he was saying stay hungry and stay
[4:22] foolish and those four words stayed with
[4:26] me forever back then because because I
[4:31] really was feeling that hunger and that
[4:34] foolishness to go something beyond what
[4:37] I
[4:38] had in time other voices that were
[4:43] whispering to me were sometimes
[4:46] desperation when I was facing huge life
[4:50] challenges the voice of desperation
[4:53] would whisper to me hey you need to get
[4:55] out of here or hate or something more or
[4:58] you need to fight for your SA
[5:00] and then you know later in
[5:02] life the voice that started whispering
[5:05] to me was more a voice of love a voice
[5:08] of empowerment and even at times a voice
[5:11] of forgiveness now going back to your
[5:13] original question how do I eventually
[5:16] started listening to that more is by
[5:19] getting
[5:20] quieter and by getting uh with myself a
[5:24] lot more you know nowadays everybody
[5:26] speaks about meditation um nowadays uh
[5:30] there's a lot of talk about connecting
[5:32] to your inner Spirit connecting to your
[5:34] inner self what I
[5:37] found made the trick for me is that I've
[5:40] always been a very Avid
[5:42] journaler I retrieved some of my
[5:45] journals from when I was a teenager as
[5:47] I'm writing my Memoir and it really
[5:50] stunned me that already then I was
[5:54] connecting with this force that
[5:57] eventually was my inner Force and and
[6:00] talking and unpacking and unpacking
[6:02] aligning with what my highest purpose we
[6:05] so I really encourage the listeners of
[6:07] this podcast to create space for
[6:10] yourself and quieting the word around to
[6:16] you know tune in with your louder inner
[6:20] voice I I love it so I want to make sure
[6:23] I'm hearing this right if I play back at
[6:25] you it's almost reflection right it's
[6:28] that that pen grab that pen allowed you
[6:30] to connect and actually listen to that
[6:33] voice if I and that's sparked your
[6:36] transformation or at least made it go
[6:39] faster I is that am I on the right track
[6:42] here yeah there's many way of calling it
[6:44] right some people call it
[6:47] intuition some people call it spiritual
[6:50] guidance according to your line of
[6:54] interest in life y you can call it in
[6:57] many different ways can be reflection
[7:00] obviously others they call it
[7:03] Consciousness but is absolutely creating
[7:06] the space either by yourself or aided by
[7:10] a therapist or aided by a coach or aided
[7:12] by a friend as well to untangle what's
[7:16] in your mind and untangle what is in
[7:19] your heart and then say okay well this
[7:22] is where I'm going and and this is how I
[7:24] want to be the largest um and bigger
[7:27] version of myself now I don't want to
[7:29] sugar coat that is painful when four
[7:32] years ago I had my latest let's say
[7:36] transformation and what I call my
[7:38] Spiritual
[7:39] Awakening was extremely painful you need
[7:42] to face your demons you need to face
[7:44] your
[7:45] pains it's almost like Alchemy in order
[7:48] to transform a metal in Gold you have to
[7:51] put it under pressure like you do with
[7:54] diamonds and rocks and humans are the
[7:57] same we are the same uh we need to go
[8:00] through fire to get to the best version
[8:02] of ourselves and heal and so for me when
[8:05] I think about personal
[8:07] transformation is about doing the hard
[8:09] work and allowing yourself to see
[8:13] through who you really are and who do
[8:16] you want to be if that makes sense yeah
[8:19] it makes perfect sense and I'm I'm
[8:21] curious how did you figure out who you
[8:24] wanted to be like how did you set that
[8:26] intention after reflecting the two to me
[8:30] there seem like two very different
[8:32] aspects of who who am I but then what am
[8:35] I working
[8:36] towards beautiful question I'll I'll
[8:39] share a little story that was the
[8:42] Catalyst
[8:43] for these specific moment in
[8:48] time so we all went through covid and we
[8:51] all went
[8:52] through some rough more or less days
[8:55] some people loved it more than others
[8:57] some people had ginormous mansions that
[8:59] they can quarantine into other people
[9:02] like me were in two-bedroom apartments
[9:04] with very young kids um some people were
[9:06] working from moms and people were able
[9:09] no to so everybody went through
[9:10] different flavors and shades of that and
[9:13] at the time I had just moved to New York
[9:16] with my family from Italy I had a 9
[9:18] month old and a two years old um uh kid
[9:23] or baby a toddlers I don't even know how
[9:25] to call them but let's say two very
[9:27] challenging individuals that I needed to
[9:29] deal would called my daughters and I was
[9:33] new to New York I had taken the decision
[9:35] to move from Italy so it was a very big
[9:38] decision right and I was taking work
[9:42] very seriously as I always do and do you
[9:45] remember at the time uh we were all
[9:48] remote at Google I was joining calls as
[9:51] early as a and I was working until 6:00
[9:54] p.m. I was grinding so much when I think
[9:57] about it I don't even understand why I
[9:59] was being so intense with myself but
[10:02] that's how I was and I started observing
[10:07] some of my behaviors I was always so
[10:10] angry I was so upset I didn't have what
[10:14] I used to have when in in my Google
[10:16] career that I would travel and meet
[10:18] people and I'm a extroverted introvert
[10:22] so I do love being with people to a
[10:24] certain extent you know I love going to
[10:26] the office and really helps with my
[10:28] well-being and all of
[10:31] that
[10:32] and after few months of these grinding I
[10:37] remember was around January 2021 so
[10:41] winter was so cold we couldn't go out
[10:45] and I started having daily meltdowns I
[10:47] remember writing in my journal that I
[10:49] was upset at everybody I was upset with
[10:51] my husband I was upset with my kids I
[10:53] was screaming with everybody it was like
[10:55] awful all over the
[10:57] place and uh one day I was with my
[11:00] therapist because I was like you know I
[11:02] need I need to start seeing someone this
[11:03] is overwhelming I can't get out of it
[11:06] and I was seeing my therapist at Google
[11:09] we have all these incredible benefits
[11:11] and I said listen this this is going on
[11:13] this this is going on and you know she
[11:15] was asking me questions about my family
[11:17] and you know unpacking a lot of the
[11:19] traumas and all of
[11:21] that and she goes well listen as a mom
[11:24] you really need to take care of of this
[11:27] she was like you you can't continue this
[11:29] way for your kids I mean this could
[11:32] result in scrutiny and even getting your
[11:36] kids away at some point like you really
[11:37] need to get you know you're acted
[11:40] together in a way and that for me was
[11:43] the Rock Bottom I was like I can't
[11:46] continue like this I I really need to
[11:50] find a way out and I started turning
[11:55] Inward and I started exploring what else
[11:58] is there that I could could
[11:59] do and I started prioritizing myself you
[12:03] know I started saying no to people and I
[12:05] said I really need to get out of this
[12:08] loophole like I I felt it was in a dark
[12:11] tunnel and I decided to hire a lifestyle
[12:15] coach um you know Mesa was incredible
[12:20] and she gave me permission to look my
[12:23] nightmares in the face and she gave me
[12:27] permission to stand up for myself self
[12:30] heal and start a very long journey of
[12:33] Spiritual Awakening so I know it's a lot
[12:36] so I'm going to
[12:37] pause but this is how it all begin no
[12:41] and thank you for sharing and I
[12:43] completely understand I had a young
[12:45] child during Co too my daughter as well
[12:47] and so it's interesting I'm thinking
[12:50] about how you said to make diamonds you
[12:52] need pressure and it sounded like to me
[12:56] that was the environment that you were
[12:58] in where you finally maybe were on
[13:01] autopilot for a bit and doing what was
[13:04] natural to you grinding at work at this
[13:06] high level of success and then this
[13:08] extra pressure comes in of covid it
[13:10] seems like life throws everything at you
[13:11] covid young kids small apartment I live
[13:14] in the bay we had a small place too it's
[13:16] like the perfect recipe for just being
[13:18] under pressure and it sounds like you're
[13:20] coming out transform transformatively on
[13:23] the other side of it
[13:25] and what
[13:27] was what was was that moment that got
[13:31] you to commit to going to a lifestyle
[13:34] coach that got you to see the other side
[13:37] of it was it something from your past
[13:39] that of a reflection from your past or
[13:41] was it an intention you set for the
[13:45] future you know what I did back then is
[13:48] that I looked back in my life and I
[13:51] looked back at
[13:53] the all the achievements and all of the
[13:56] grinding and all of the success that I
[13:58] had achieved
[14:00] and I looked at the Young self that I
[14:02] was it's funny because it's coming to my
[14:05] mind the image of Jennifer Lopez movie
[14:07] the one where she uh goes and meet her
[14:10] younger self and she asks her and she
[14:12] cries but it was pretty much like that
[14:15] it was pretty much a moment where I
[14:18] looked back and I said wow I didn't I
[14:21] didn't arrive this far for
[14:24] nothing after even moving to New York I
[14:27] mean I I lived in countries I traveled
[14:30] the world and had this two wonderful
[14:34] babies a wonderful husband I looked at
[14:36] my life I I transcended myself for a few
[14:39] moments and I said I got to do something
[14:42] I can't waste all of this these are
[14:45] things that people dream of these are
[14:48] things that I myself have always dreamed
[14:50] of these are things that I had planned I
[14:54] had manifested for myself that I made
[14:56] happen for myself and I how silly would
[14:59] it be to waste it all just for not
[15:03] taking ownership of my flaws and fixing
[15:06] them and so in that moment when I was
[15:08] unpacking with my
[15:10] coach I said I got to do something I I
[15:14] got to go back to protecting all the
[15:17] greatness that I have and I got to do
[15:20] something to really get out of this hump
[15:24] this ginormous hump and funnily enough
[15:27] what really helped me to get the courage
[15:29] where the feedback from my audience you
[15:32] know I was already out there I that was
[15:35] the moment where when I was sharing on
[15:37] social media some of my pain and
[15:41] um there were so many people rooting for
[15:44] me there were so many people that were
[15:47] reaching out saying hey thanks for your
[15:49] work we get courage thanks to your
[15:53] example we have hope and I remember
[15:57] having a conversation with mess I B in
[15:59] my coach and I said wait a
[16:02] moment I said I think that this is my
[16:04] life purpose like if all of this is
[16:07] floating my way if all of this is coming
[16:10] my way that means that I have the
[16:13] responsibility to rise and stand up as
[16:16] an example for many others at the time I
[16:19] was gifting coaching session to
[16:21] googlers and um I remember every week I
[16:24] was seeing you know three four people to
[16:26] support it was my way to help the people
[16:28] through covid and people were inundating
[16:33] me with messages on how even 15 minutes
[16:37] with me were shaping their day how
[16:40] thanks to something that I had said they
[16:42] were getting more courage so all of
[16:46] that really contributed to give me the
[16:49] courage to say you know
[16:51] what I got to rise I can't put myself in
[16:54] a corner my mission in this world is
[16:57] more than that I got to use my voice is
[16:59] to lift others as I lift myself and make
[17:02] an impact into the
[17:05] planet wow that's I mean that's huge to
[17:08] go from you're already so successful at
[17:10] Google but then using this moment of
[17:12] pressure to actually start making some
[17:15] actions it sounds like you were taking
[17:17] actions on sharing your story which
[17:19] requires a lot of vulnerability and it's
[17:20] not an easy to press that button right
[17:23] and start sharing how intense these
[17:26] emotions can be right and and sounds
[17:29] like people leaned into that and really
[17:31] understood it and it motivated you so
[17:33] I'm hearing like about Connections
[17:34] leading into your character and
[17:36] authenticity what were some of the first
[17:39] behaviors that you started to do to head
[17:42] down this New
[17:46] Path yeah I remember very clearly that
[17:49] one of the first thing I did was really
[17:53] leaning
[17:55] into my real self which I no sounds a a
[17:59] little bit weird but let me unpack it
[18:04] you know until then I was very corporate
[18:07] like very serious very organized you
[18:10] know
[18:11] operationally everything I was the
[18:15] epitome of perfection I would say and
[18:19] even even if inside I was feeling like
[18:22] exhausted or that I needed a break and
[18:25] things like that so the number one thing
[18:27] that I did was showing up more
[18:30] authentically like start starting to
[18:33] being open about my flaws and my
[18:36] challenges and sharing with people hey
[18:39] you know what I'm having a bad day or
[18:42] hey you know what like things are a
[18:45] little on the wrong side today you know
[18:47] I'm extremely Moody I was diagnosed with
[18:51] gener GDA which is general anxiety and
[18:54] for all the women listening to this of
[18:56] being diagnosed with pmdd which is this
[18:59] uh premenstrual depression so mental
[19:01] health is something that for me is very
[19:04] high in the list of things that I care
[19:06] for and I started talking about it with
[19:08] people and say you know what it's okay
[19:11] if you're having a day so really leaning
[19:13] into the authentic Spirit um very much
[19:16] ber Brown was one thing that I did and
[19:19] then the second thing that I did is I
[19:21] gave myself permission to be
[19:24] Nadia which I know it might sound weird
[19:27] but I like Google I'm in Tech so I deal
[19:33] with data measurement analytics topics
[19:36] which most of the time translate in
[19:38] being in a rooms of male that are
[19:40] dressing in black and white and they're
[19:43] not very Smiley and I am typically the
[19:46] female factor and I used to flatten
[19:49] myself to match this
[19:52] environment and I decided you know what
[19:55] done with it so I started showing up
[19:58] with colorful outfits I started showing
[20:01] up with my Italian accent I started
[20:05] showing up with my bold
[20:08] statements and I remember so well one
[20:11] day there was a CEO of my client you
[20:14] know I service a very large client
[20:17] globally and uh he approached me and he
[20:20] said Nadia when you're in the room
[20:23] everything shines and you bring such eye
[20:27] energy and eye vibration
[20:29] that it's such a pleasure to do business
[20:31] with
[20:32] you and I was like wow you know be
[20:36] myself is giving so many upsides to
[20:39] everybody out there and so by leaning in
[20:44] into what really was I was like okay you
[20:47] know let's do it there you know I show
[20:49] up in sequence and Feathers sometimes
[20:51] and meetings and and that makes
[20:53] everybody happy and then the third thing
[20:55] that I
[20:56] did I said you know what I'm just going
[20:59] to be out there and so the two tactical
[21:03] things that I started doing well three
[21:05] tactical things I started being more
[21:07] outspoken on social
[21:09] media I was like you know what I have
[21:11] nothing to lose so let's do it I created
[21:15] a podcast of my own with a with a Google
[21:17] friend to talk about human
[21:20] leadership and I built my website coming
[21:22] out of the closet as an intuitive person
[21:25] that loves spirituality and esoteric
[21:28] things and and giving space to all of
[21:31] this in the corporate environment to
[21:33] really help people to connect with your
[21:36] purpose because I believe that in our
[21:39] corporate environment we have the
[21:42] responsibility to be more than just
[21:45] technology we have the responsibility to
[21:48] create environment that are uplifting
[21:51] for everybody because we spend so much
[21:53] time at work like we spend two-thirds of
[21:55] our days so what are we doing you know
[21:58] we need to build an environment where
[22:01] people can be happy show up and be the
[22:04] best version of themselves and so for a
[22:07] for a moment in time I used to have this
[22:09] tagline on LinkedIn which was I
[22:11] transform lives and Corporation to
[22:14] generate Z for
[22:15] life and I'm like that's what that's
[22:18] what it is you know that's what we're
[22:20] here to do we're all here to live our
[22:22] life that is fulfilling and Corporation
[22:25] must to be must be part of it and have
[22:27] an active
[22:30] role all this stuff is resonating so
[22:32] deeply with me and it's so amazing what
[22:34] you did and I love the word zeal like
[22:36] passion comes to mind or and it sounds
[22:39] like that's what you did and I think
[22:40] what's really interesting it it reminds
[22:43] me a bit of what I'm been going through
[22:44] recently it's so easy to kind of once
[22:47] you go to the corporate mold to try to
[22:48] fit the mold because it leads to success
[22:51] right but then at some point everyone's
[22:53] living as copies of each other it's like
[22:55] AI or social media right everyone's just
[22:57] a chat GPT excerpt of another person and
[23:02] just by being yourself being authentic
[23:04] you weren't saying you were working less
[23:05] you weren't saying that you were
[23:06] changing up your strategies there at all
[23:08] it just you started being yourself more
[23:11] and that was your differentiator that's
[23:13] what was your Niche it no one else can
[23:15] be you right you're unapologetically you
[23:18] and that is so awesome and important for
[23:20] people to hear that that might be the
[23:22] Catalyst for career
[23:24] transformation right is just be yourself
[23:27] so here's a here's a dooy for you how do
[23:30] you be more of yourself how did you go
[23:33] through that
[23:34] Journey yeah this is a very good
[23:37] question I mean
[23:42] listen is a lot harder to be
[23:47] yourself than a washed up version of
[23:50] somebody
[23:52] else especially if you are someone that
[23:56] has veryable old
[24:00] ideas a differentiated way of showing up
[24:03] you know I'm an immigrant in
[24:05] America my accent is far from perfect I
[24:09] presented yesterday in front of our
[24:11] president at Google and everybody made
[24:13] fun of me for how I pronounce
[24:16] automobile which still today like H
[24:18] that's a terrible word for me to
[24:20] say and you know I'm Italian I'm a
[24:24] little louder than the average like I I
[24:26] carry with me I vibrate ational energy
[24:29] that cannot be ignored like when I'm in
[24:32] a room you know that I'm in the room
[24:34] even if I'm quiet like it it exudes from
[24:37] my body and and so it it's a little hard
[24:41] to be that because you can't hide and
[24:44] when you try to hide then things don't
[24:47] go in the direction and they need to go
[24:49] and my biggest encouragement to people
[24:52] that are on the journey especially those
[24:55] that are early in their careers you know
[24:58] yes spoke with this uh students from a
[25:01] college is take the time to fully unpack
[25:07] what makes
[25:09] you what are the traits in my book that
[25:13] I will be publishing this summer there's
[25:15] a wonderful exercise that I've wrote
[25:17] which is about spending time to find
[25:21] your extraordinary signator Zeals I call
[25:25] it which means those traits those those
[25:29] aspects those
[25:32] behaviors that make you and this morning
[25:37] I was in a meeting for example and when
[25:41] they were talking I had this
[25:44] download that was like well Nadia what
[25:47] what is it for you being you like when
[25:50] you are in your Genius Zone here's a
[25:53] question that you can ask yourself when
[25:54] you are in your Genius Zone that you
[25:58] feel you are in the flow that you feel
[26:01] you are align that you feel you good at
[26:03] all what is it that you're doing and for
[26:06] me the answer was I'm using my
[26:10] voice I'm using my voice to uplift
[26:13] others I'm using my voice to help others
[26:15] I'm using my voice to transform the word
[26:18] around
[26:19] me and I said okay if using my voice is
[26:23] what I do when I'm in my genius Zone
[26:26] what does that mean for for a work
[26:28] perspective for
[26:30] example it my means that I cannot be in
[26:32] a role where I just need to write code
[26:35] or I just need to feel trixes right I
[26:36] need to be in roles where I can use my
[26:39] voice and so these are some of the
[26:41] questions that you can start asking
[26:43] yourself either in a self-reflecting way
[26:46] or with a coach or with a friend there
[26:48] are so many self-help books out there
[26:51] that you can leverage but really
[26:53] meditating on this concept of what are
[26:57] the things that you're doing when you
[26:58] are in your Genius Zone what do people
[27:01] say about you still is always one of my
[27:05] favorite and what are the things that
[27:08] are also painful for you and the reason
[27:11] why I typically ask myself that is
[27:14] because we say yes to too many things
[27:17] that are not aligned with our genius
[27:19] Zone and the reason why we say yes is
[27:22] because we don't spend the time
[27:24] understanding what is it that is a pain
[27:26] for us and so we get carried away and we
[27:29] just say yes so by fully understanding
[27:32] what is painful for
[27:34] you you are able to develop a faster
[27:37] reaction to the things that you need to
[27:39] say no
[27:40] because part of the critical step that
[27:44] everybody needs to do
[27:46] more is what I call protecting your Zeal
[27:49] or shielding yourself from what I call
[27:52] Energy
[27:53] vampires these are people these are
[27:55] activity these are things that are
[27:58] coming your way the news for example
[28:01] certain social media content certain
[28:04] movies all things that are just
[28:07] draining your powers so by actively
[28:11] spending time to do these practices you
[28:14] know I self- coach myself every day I I
[28:17] took my first coaching certification in
[28:20] 2019 and since then not not only I have
[28:24] coaches that work with me but I continue
[28:27] to self- coach myself
[28:28] constantly because by developing the
[28:31] awareness of all these things that I
[28:33] shared above you develop the ability to
[28:38] adjust your behavior awareness is Step
[28:40] number one adjustment is Step number two
[28:42] and step number three is reiteration of
[28:44] the positive reinforcement so I know I I
[28:47] throw it a lot in there I'm going to
[28:49] pause uh but this is definitely a very
[28:51] meaty topic that I'm super passionate
[28:53] about well it's it's awesome and I feel
[28:56] like I can talk to you for hours because
[28:58] everything I'm looking into right now is
[28:59] so similar to what you're exploring and
[29:02] what I think is really fascinating is we
[29:06] demand or you're challenge to everyone
[29:08] to really dive in and understand
[29:11] themselves and that takes time you're
[29:13] not saying it's easy and I find the same
[29:15] I do coaching at Google too and I do a
[29:17] lot of external events and I'm finding a
[29:20] lot of people will come to me and say
[29:21] I'm trying to get a job at Google or I'm
[29:24] trying to get a job or I'm trying to get
[29:25] a promotion and if you ask them why like
[29:28] what what's driving you so many people
[29:30] haven't done that exploration and they
[29:32] don't want to it's really tough to just
[29:34] start digging under the surface and it
[29:36] sounds like your book is going to be an
[29:37] amazing tool to help explore that more
[29:41] and so I'm curious I want you to
[29:42] continue because it's just so
[29:43] fascinating you talked about iterating
[29:45] it sounded like or iterating on your
[29:47] positive positivity what did you say
[29:49] there and what what does that look like
[29:51] on for someone specifically let's say
[29:53] trying to find the right next job for
[29:56] them similar to you starting to publish
[29:58] out outside of just working at
[30:01] Google
[30:04] yeah look my one of my values one of my
[30:08] life
[30:09] beliefs is that the word is made of
[30:14] vibrational
[30:16] forces you know I'm one of those that
[30:19] believes in the secret I'm one of those
[30:21] that reads and studies Deepak Chopra but
[30:23] I'm also one of those that listens to Dr
[30:25] uberman Dr James doie I'm one of those
[30:29] that reads atle and Wayne Dyer and all
[30:32] of these right those are like my best
[30:35] virtual friends in a way and and the
[30:38] reason why is that I tested it on my
[30:41] skin I tested it on my life I went back
[30:44] here's a fun
[30:46] fact I went back to one of my uh life
[30:51] planning documents that I've written in
[30:54] 2013 so I'm talking about 12 years ago
[30:59] and you know I found it in my
[31:02] drive and I'm looking at the things that
[31:04] I'm written that I wanted to achieve and
[31:06] the goals that I was setting for myself
[31:08] 15 years from then and I'm like this is
[31:12] not possible like this is so crazy I was
[31:16] already manifesting back then the things
[31:18] that I wanted to attract in my life and
[31:20] for some reason everything happened
[31:23] magically in ways that went even beyond
[31:27] my expect ations even beyond what I was
[31:30] wishing for myself and so there's a lot
[31:33] of science around this um if you're
[31:36] audience is wondering there's a
[31:37] wonderful book that I recommend you
[31:39] reading which is um uh Magic mind from
[31:43] uh James Dy is his um is his last book
[31:47] where he unpacks all the Neuroscience
[31:50] behind all of that but in a
[31:53] nutshell the more you leave in an ey
[31:56] vibrational state which is the state of
[32:00] zeal the state of Happiness the state of
[32:03] Joy the state of moving forward the
[32:06] state of gratitude the more you will
[32:09] start attracting things to
[32:11] you you know last year I was doing this
[32:15] Zeal talk and I said to
[32:18] myself you know what I would love to do
[32:20] more talks for Google how would love you
[32:23] know artificial intelligence was just
[32:25] coming our way and I said I want love to
[32:28] to speak more about artificial
[32:30] intelligence around the world and around
[32:32] the
[32:33] spaces after five days I'm not kidding I
[32:39] go on our internal job portal I see a
[32:43] 20% that they were looking for AI
[32:46] evangelists and I'm like
[32:49] whoa apply now the reason why I'm saying
[32:52] and sharing this detail is that once you
[32:55] do all of the work to understand what
[32:57] you really do
[32:58] and what you really want so once you do
[33:00] all of the work to go back to an eye
[33:02] vibrational State and be very clear on
[33:05] what are your wishes
[33:07] are you need to get ready to walk
[33:10] through the doors that the Universe are
[33:12] going to open for you and I want to say
[33:15] this out loud because a lot of people
[33:18] once they spend all the time to really
[33:21] get crystal clear on their wishes or
[33:25] what they're here to meant to accomplish
[33:27] in this planet they start missing the
[33:30] doors and this is where the awareness
[33:32] come back this is where the intuition
[33:34] that I was talking at the very beginning
[33:36] come back this is where being quiet and
[33:39] with yourself comes back you need to do
[33:42] the job if we summarize it in three
[33:44] steps he like number one you pause to
[33:47] understand what you want number two you
[33:49] start raising your vibration and
[33:51] bringing that Z and then number three
[33:53] you start developing the awareness of
[33:55] the word around you on how those gifts
[33:57] are coming your way
[34:00] and look I call it magic other people
[34:03] call it quantum others they call it in a
[34:07] variety of ways but it's the same other
[34:10] people call it also forecasting or
[34:12] envisioning or planning we are talk the
[34:15] same we are talking about setting your
[34:18] mind and setting your intention to get
[34:21] somewhere and giving yourself permission
[34:24] to get there and allowing others to
[34:27] support support and help you so I lived
[34:30] my entire life even before my Spiritual
[34:33] Awakening in this Spirit but I didn't
[34:36] know that I was doing in it because
[34:38] before I was simply acting out of
[34:40] desperation and ambition and wanting to
[34:43] make money and wanting to be successful
[34:46] and later in life I was like this is
[34:48] what spiritual looks like is about
[34:51] tuning in with my inner Goddess that I
[34:55] have inside me and my inner drive and
[34:59] just accomplish what I meant to be
[35:01] accomplishing in this life which is
[35:04] reuniting with by purpose we all have a
[35:07] purpose to accomplish that's you know if
[35:10] you don't believe that we all have a
[35:11] purpose maybe this is not the right
[35:13] podcast for you but we all agree that we
[35:16] all have our purpose then the the the
[35:19] job is to finding in it and then
[35:20] responding to the call yeah okay you got
[35:23] me on something here because I think
[35:24] it's what I've been debating with for a
[35:26] long time is Imagine like a neston value
[35:29] of hierarch a hierarchy of values right
[35:31] I've always been battling with what's
[35:33] more important like your character Your
[35:36] Capacity or your connections because
[35:39] they all have different like people a
[35:41] lot of people focus on money especially
[35:42] in America it's like my capacity first
[35:44] worry about money and then I'll worry
[35:46] about purpose later and it's almost like
[35:47] maso's hierarchy is you need your
[35:49] fundamental needs met but it sounds like
[35:51] what you're saying and tell me if I'm
[35:53] off base here is there's something more
[35:55] important than fundamental needs it's
[35:57] like you you have an underlaying purpose
[35:59] a connect what I would call your
[36:01] character but you're what you're called
[36:03] to do maybe you're calling but that's
[36:05] actually what's going to manifest
[36:08] everything else you need in life first
[36:10] you set your mind to that and then
[36:12] you're going to get everything that you
[36:14] everything else will come but you need
[36:15] to figure out what that is am I thinking
[36:17] of that right or is there another way to
[36:19] think of it listen once you understand
[36:22] your gifts because we all have unique
[36:26] gifts
[36:27] once you understand your
[36:29] gifts which going back to a point before
[36:32] is what are you good at what do you want
[36:34] all that once you understand your gifts
[36:36] your unique
[36:38] Zeals that will
[36:41] unlock the
[36:43] purpose because if your gift is to be a
[36:46] public speaker then your purpose is to
[36:49] be here to inspire others if your gift
[36:52] is to be an incredibly operational
[36:55] speaker then your gift is to grow
[36:57] businesses or others now once you know
[37:02] your gifts and that brings you to your
[37:05] purpose then automatically that opens a
[37:10] variety of opportunities and guess what
[37:13] they're all connected to money anyways
[37:16] because money is energy I've been doing
[37:18] a lot of studies around money you know I
[37:21] love money uh I remember since I was
[37:23] little people be like oh you're always
[37:25] talking about money money is so
[37:26] important you're like money is a vessel
[37:29] you can have as much money as you want
[37:31] in life guess what not many people
[37:33] believe it I can tell you I never lacked
[37:36] money to do what I wanted to do in my
[37:39] whole life as crazy as it looks like I
[37:41] don't even know where it was coming from
[37:43] but sometime somehow was coming now if
[37:46] you believe if you have an unshakable
[37:50] and unwavering belief that your gifts
[37:53] will bring you to your
[37:54] purpose that will bring you to meaning
[37:58] and that will bring you
[37:59] to infinite success which translated can
[38:03] be infinite money now if you're
[38:07] listening to this podcast think about
[38:09] all the people that are
[38:11] strangling think about the people that
[38:13] somehow in life seem to be attracting
[38:17] troubles and I don't want to judge here
[38:20] I'm saying this in a very humble way
[38:22] think about what are the traits of these
[38:25] people most of the time those people
[38:28] that come to me with a all these
[38:29] challenges I ask very few questions I
[38:32] say how do you spend majority of your
[38:35] time what are you
[38:37] consuming then I start to hear people
[38:39] watch horror movies people watch violent
[38:42] movies people uh are scrawling and and
[38:45] and and you know shutting their brain
[38:48] with constant news people are just
[38:51] rambling in these endless spirals of
[38:54] negativity you I'm like how can you
[38:56] expect
[38:58] to be attracting opportunities how can
[39:00] you expect to see your purpose and your
[39:04] meaning if you're not allowing your
[39:07] brain your Consciousness your inner self
[39:10] to come and tell you what is it that
[39:13] you're here to do like if you don't
[39:16] allow your spirit to talk to you
[39:20] then I cannot
[39:22] help on the contrary though I can help
[39:25] if you say that you are taking the times
[39:28] and the steps to move forward I never
[39:31] heard a person that is into the
[39:34] transformational space or that is taking
[39:36] the time to get better not succeeding at
[39:40] that never an ice book with thousands of
[39:43] people uh across the globe I never heard
[39:47] an individual that is out there trying
[39:50] to make magic happen and not succeeding
[39:53] maybe it takes more time maybe it's a
[39:56] little bit you know not longer it Rome
[39:59] wasn't built in a day so it takes time
[40:01] but I never heard somebody that was
[40:04] connected with their meaning and their
[40:05] purpose having a tough time even those
[40:08] they are not in our industry you know
[40:10] when I think about Farmers when I think
[40:12] about people that do it with passion
[40:14] when you talk to these people the number
[40:16] one thing they say is I love that I get
[40:19] to do what gives me more joy and that
[40:23] leads to all sort of other
[40:26] life life Upstream
[40:28] opportunities oh I what you're saying is
[40:31] so true because I've been there I've
[40:32] been I was in debt broke homeless at one
[40:34] time and I wasn't unhappy right I still
[40:38] was working towards things I still was
[40:39] excited about life and had a purpose
[40:42] honestly when I was very financially
[40:44] successful at Google I've had moments of
[40:46] deeper unhappiness than when I was hope
[40:48] homeless because I when I was misaligned
[40:50] with my values when I was misalign with
[40:51] my purpose and so what you're saying is
[40:53] true I can validate it true on so many
[40:56] levels and I think what I've been
[40:58] meditating on recently and I'm curious
[41:00] your thoughts is I feel like so many
[41:02] people are walking on let's say imagine
[41:04] a path and everyone's walking on this
[41:06] path in a dense forest and what I'm
[41:10] hearing you say is
[41:12] like this path you don't have to walk on
[41:15] it like you have a choice to choose like
[41:18] yeah there's a forest out there but you
[41:19] can go into the forest you can carve out
[41:20] a new you can bring out a machete carve
[41:22] Into A New Path if you if you notice
[41:24] that there's something on the other side
[41:26] if you cast a vision it's not going to
[41:27] be easy you put your work in but you can
[41:29] go to the other side um otherwise you're
[41:32] just going to be on the path that's
[41:34] someone else set for you someone else
[41:36] paved may that be technology that could
[41:39] be the news it could be any any one of
[41:42] life's distractions so how do you not
[41:43] get distracted how do you pick up that
[41:47] machete and start carving that path it
[41:49] sounds like what you're were saying what
[41:50] started that all I want to connect it
[41:51] back to the beginning was the journaling
[41:53] right it's starting to do the
[41:54] reflections predominantly from from your
[41:57] exercise am I summarizing this right am
[41:58] I going to does that story resonate
[42:01] absolutely listen you have to take the
[42:05] time to get control
[42:09] back it's as simple as that even I I
[42:15] have days even this week that when I
[42:18] lower my guard and I get trapped in the
[42:22] Whirlwind of activities and I get
[42:25] trapped in the uh Rat
[42:27] race I'm like I need to
[42:31] pause especially when my calendar takes
[42:34] over when I'm in all these backto backs
[42:37] when I'm prioritizing others instead of
[42:39] me when I'm prioritizing external
[42:42] validation instead of my validation when
[42:46] I am falling into the comparison trap of
[42:49] this person is ahead of me of this
[42:51] person is doing like when all when all
[42:53] of our word gets uh captivated by all of
[42:57] these uh uh vampires it's very easy to
[43:01] fall into the traps we're humans and we
[43:04] live in an environment where we're not
[43:07] wired for this lifestyle so it does take
[43:10] intention what I want to make sure I
[43:12] stress is that it's okay to decide to
[43:16] live a life on a path that has been
[43:19] charted by other people I'm not saying
[43:22] that is
[43:23] wrong the different is the
[43:25] intentionality
[43:27] because if you say you know what let's
[43:30] make an example I'm just graduating I
[43:33] need to get some cash because I need to
[43:35] emancipate myself I'm just going to take
[43:37] a very good job out there even if it's
[43:39] not the job of my dreams and I'll do it
[43:42] if you are taking that decision with
[43:45] intention I'm totally okay with that but
[43:49] if you are taking decisions with a lack
[43:52] of intention that's when I say maybe you
[43:57] want to pause for a minute and you want
[44:00] to reflect and the reason why is because
[44:03] the moment you
[44:04] say I'm taking this decision I'm staying
[44:08] in the corporation for example because
[44:10] it connects with my highest purpose it
[44:12] connects with the fact that I provide
[44:14] for my family connects with other people
[44:17] then you're going to find that meaning
[44:20] but if you stay in your position and if
[44:22] you accept to be in positions in Life or
[44:25] at work or whatever it is just because
[44:27] you are going with the wave and just
[44:29] because you're letting water carry you
[44:32] without taking control back that's when
[44:36] is going to fight back and saying yeah
[44:39] you got to wake up so for me if people
[44:41] are wondering and because a lot of
[44:43] people ask me but how do I identify
[44:46] spiritual burnout for example how do I
[44:48] identify that I need to do something how
[44:51] I the question I always ask Beck is
[44:54] what's your intention telling you are
[44:56] you you acting with intention or are you
[45:00] just going with it and for the people
[45:03] that are in the corporate environment
[45:04] you know I I give a very quick um
[45:06] example A lot of people have been asking
[45:09] me why I'm not director yet after all
[45:11] these
[45:13] years and uh it's funny I I responded to
[45:17] this question one time and I said you
[45:18] know I actively decided that I'm not
[45:21] going for these roles for now I have two
[45:24] young kids I have so much in my
[45:28] plate and I have a lot of meaning that
[45:31] I'm finding in what I'm
[45:33] doing and I'm fine for now and it what
[45:38] is so interesting in that is if people
[45:40] would have asked me this question before
[45:42] even before other promotions I would
[45:45] have been like yeah they're not giving
[45:46] me the opportunity they're not promoting
[45:48] me I would have been so bitter about it
[45:50] and then it took a
[45:52] very honest and hard conversation with
[45:55] myself and saying okay but
[45:58] what's your intention here so I really
[46:00] encourage people to Noodle on and and
[46:02] mull over this question which is what is
[46:05] your
[46:05] intentionality you know what what is
[46:08] your intention telling you oh it's so
[46:11] crazy what parallels we have because you
[46:12] know doing the CH staff role at Google
[46:14] that's then the question I've been gra
[46:15] grappling with the last year is do I
[46:17] want it is this something that I
[46:19] actually wanted or am I just doing what
[46:20] other people expect out of me and what's
[46:23] really interesting is when you start
[46:24] leaning into your authenticity like you
[46:26] said it actually helps your career too
[46:28] because then people start to you're not
[46:30] as competitive you're not doing things
[46:32] that are obviously mellan or whatever
[46:35] people might perceive as that even if
[46:36] that's not your intention you're just
[46:38] actually being authentically you and
[46:40] people will appreciate it more because
[46:42] there's not enough people like that at
[46:43] that level so really really awesome
[46:46] really interesting that we're having all
[46:47] these different parallels I imagine
[46:49] you're very busy so I got to start
[46:51] wrapping this up otherwise I think I
[46:52] could ask you a million more questions
[46:54] um so do you want to play a fun real
[46:57] quick where I ask you just a few rapid
[46:59] fire questions I would love and by the
[47:01] way I'm sure you realize now that things
[47:04] happen for a reason it's not it's not by
[47:06] chance that the two of us met yeah not
[47:08] at all it's such a yeah this is an
[47:10] Evidence of everything that you're
[47:11] saying right is what what's the
[47:13] likelihood that you know you you and I
[47:15] if you did statistics there's no chance
[47:17] you and I would randomly meet both be
[47:19] doing such similar things and having
[47:20] such similar passions and Avenues in
[47:22] life but we met right in this time and
[47:24] so it's so it's so awesome so well guess
[47:27] finding your Zeal whatever whatever the
[47:29] positivity and the vibrations are on
[47:31] point for this one I love it um so with
[47:33] that I want to just to get to know you a
[47:35] little bit better just as a regular
[47:37] person what's your favorite
[47:39] dessert oh my God I'm not a dessert
[47:41] person but when I must have it I'm a
[47:44] terisu person I'm Italian so okay terisu
[47:47] then okay what's your favorite Savory
[47:49] dish C if you're a Savory person oh my
[47:52] God I love
[47:53] pizza what kind of pizza what kind of
[47:55] pizza pizza's good but
[47:57] you know I'm a buffalo mozzarella with
[48:00] some basil on top is the best okay
[48:03] beautiful I've been in Italy before
[48:05] Roman like getting that just like the
[48:06] classic you know almost like thrown in a
[48:08] toaster it's so good um okay what is
[48:11] your
[48:12] favorite uh book on purpose that you've
[48:15] read
[48:16] recently I will be forever a lover of
[48:19] the Wayne Dyer the power of intention
[48:21] it's a book that I listen over and over
[48:24] and over I already listen it four times
[48:26] highly
[48:27] recommended okay I love that and then I
[48:30] I'll check it out I haven't read it so
[48:31] that's going to be a great ad for my
[48:32] list what is a piece of advice that you
[48:35] think people should stop
[48:38] giving oh my God a piece of advice that
[48:41] people should stop leaving oh I know
[48:44] that one you know when they say you only
[48:46] leave
[48:47] once I'm like you don't really only
[48:50] leave once what is true is that you need
[48:52] to make your current life a masterpiece
[48:54] but you got to believing many other
[48:56] times
[48:57] yeah I love it even in this life I've
[49:00] lived multiple lives at this point right
[49:02] we have so many paths and avenues I love
[49:04] that one um let me think that's another
[49:07] one what is the favorite job you've had
[49:12] in your whole career what's the favorite
[49:13] career job you've had or held oh my god
[49:17] there was one time I
[49:19] was head of core infrastructure
[49:23] GTM I I was in my third 30s and I was
[49:27] traveling the world I was on stage every
[49:30] week in a different country presenting
[49:33] to client and sellers was the toughest
[49:36] job that I have but also the most
[49:38] exhilarating and the one that I loved
[49:41] the most that's awesome that sounds
[49:44] really fun and then what's the most fun
[49:45] thing you do on the side when you're not
[49:47] when you're not working when you're not
[49:49] doing the million prash passion projects
[49:51] the podcast the book The speaking
[49:53] engagements what what fills you up yeah
[49:57] I won't I will I'm gonna say I hope your
[49:59] audience is ready I actually have it in
[50:01] front of me
[50:02] um are you ready for this I'm surp I'm
[50:06] excited now yep so I'm a Tarot reader
[50:09] and I read cards and I just got a new
[50:12] deck today so I just pulled a card for
[50:14] your audience it's called wisdom number
[50:18] 22 uh which I find incredibly in line
[50:22] with what we're
[50:23] doing that's cool when when we meet in
[50:25] person I actually really that' be cool
[50:27] I've never had that done before if You'
[50:29] be interested that could be a lot of fun
[50:31] if it's fun for you um okay and then
[50:34] last thing now imagine I'm G to put you
[50:35] on the platform you're going to make a
[50:37] you your a YouTube short the most
[50:39] impactful YouTube short you've ever made
[50:41] that's going to change lives 10 seconds
[50:44] to a minute what would you say this is
[50:46] your shot PR your gut because chances
[50:49] are that whatever is telling you is true
[50:52] I dig it it leans into that authenticity
[50:55] that we've been talking about all along
[50:57] listening to your own voice listening to
[50:58] yourself Nadia it's been such a pleasure
[51:00] having you on